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602| Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:24:00 GMT| cognitivenutrition| Comments (29)
Pure Pharmaceutical Proven L-DOPA is now at BB by Unique Nutrition.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/uniq/dopa.html

Some info:
-Description-
L-DOPA (3,4-dihydroxy-L-phenylalanine) is a naturally occurring amino acid found in the human brain and in certain plants (Macuna pruriens aka velvet bean). L-Dopa is produced from the amino acid L-Tyrosine via the enzyme tyrosine 3-monooxygenase (previously called tyrosine hydroxylase). Afterwards L-Dopa is able to cross the blood-brain-barrier and converts into Dopamine by the Vitamin B-6 dependant enzyme aromatic-L-amino-acid decarboxylase. Indirectly by increasing Dopamine L-DOPA causes a significant HGH release and suppresses excessive Prolactin release in healthy adults.

L-DOPA 250 mg 120 capsules

Neurochemical effects:

: Raises levels of dopamine

Supports mental alertness and mood

: Releases human growth hormone (HGH)

Supports physical strength and well being

: Reduces excessive Prolactin levels
-Dose-
250-500 mg daily with juice or water.
-When can I feel it...
Can be noticed within a few hours to a few days.
-What works best with it...
EGCG (from Green Tea extract) acts as a natural decarboxylase inhibitor which helps prevent excessive levels of Dopamine from building up in the body rather than the brain.

Quercetin acts as a natural catechol-O-methyl transferase (COMT) inhibitor that helps prevent Dopamine breakdown.
-Notes-
Avoid taking in high doses with other compounds that potently affect Dopamine, such as, other dopamine precursors (L-Tyrosine, D-Phenylalanine, L-Phenylalanine), Dopamine agonists Phenylethylamine, Bromocriptine, or MAO-A or B Inhibitors (Deprenyl). If you have hypotension or any health conditions consult a healthcare professional before using.

Some studies:

L-Dopa: Growth hormone releaser

If L-dopa were useful only as a PD treatment, it would be of little interest to most people. Yet L-dopa has uses beyond PD. It has been known for over 30 years that it is an effective stimulant of human growth hormone (HGH) release. In 1970, Boyd and colleagues found that a 500mg oral dose ?"caused a significant rise in plasma growth hormone in PD patients, initially starting therapy or on chronic L-dopa therapy for as long as 11 months. The rise in plasma growth hormone persisted for 120 minutes after the administration of the drug." (4). Boden and his co-workers gave 500mg of the drug orally to four male and five female volunteers. "HGH levels rose sharply at 45 minutes from the basal value of 0.8mg/ml, to a maximum of 10.0mg/ml at 90 minutes (p<0.001) and declined thereafter. This rise occurred in eight of the nine subjects." (5). Hayek and Crawford reported that six out of seven "constitutionally short children" responded to oral L-dopa (200-500mg), "?with elevations in HGH concentration above 7mg/ml, peak levels occurring between 30 and 120 minutes after drug administration..". (6).

In 1975, Ajlouni and colleagues reported the effects of 500mg of oral L-dopa on eight normal and 8 non-obese insulin-dependent diabetic subjects. The normal subjects increased their plasma HGH from 1.5mg/ml before L-dopa, to an average 21mg/ml at 90 minutes post L-dopa, with all subjects showing at least a 10 mg/ml increase. The diabetics increased from 2.5mg/ml to 20mg/ml from 60-90 minutes post L-dopa. Giving 100 grams (3 _ ounces) of glucose with, or 30 minutes after the drug totally suppressed the expected HGH increase (7).

Obesity has been shown to blunt HGH release after oral L-dopa. Laurian and his co-workers tested 17 obese, non-diabetic and six normal weight volunteers. All 17 obese subjects failed to respond to L-dopa, while the normal weight subjects had HGH increases of 10-11mg/ml at 90 and 120 minutes after the drug was administered. The 17 obese men and women subsequently lost 12-50kg. After weight loss, 8 people secreted HGH in response to L-dopa, but at levels only 50-60% of the normal weight people. 9 formerly obese people still failed to respond to it (8).

Barbarino and colleagues gave 500mg orally to 12 obese people, with no significant HGH increases. When some of the subjects were given 40mg oral Propranolol, two hours before L-dopa, they then showed HGH response, although at only 50-75% of the level shown by 12 normal weight subjects given L-dopa, whose serum HGH levels reached 7 to 32mg/ml 60-120 minutes after L-dopa (9).

Greenspan et al. compared HGH response to L-dopa in 44 young patients (31-44 years of age) and 42 older patients (64-88 years of age). All were considered "healthy participants". Plasma HGH increased by 221% in the young patients and 167% in the older patients. The post L-dopa HGH levels were similar in young and old (4.5 and 4.8mg/ml) (10).

The preceding studies illustrate some of the studies showing that 500mg oral L-dopa is an effective stimulator of HGH release. Whether a person is male or female, young or old, diabetic or not, thin or obese (possibly with Propranolol), a PD patient or not, L-dopa is a natural HGH-releasing agent when taken on an empty stomach. For those who can't afford HGH injections, or just don't like self-injecting,L-dopa may provide a reasonable alternative.

L-DOPA Enhances Memory in Healthy Adults

Ann Neurol. 2005 Jul;58(1):121-30
Dopaminergic influences on formation of a motor memory.

Floel A, Breitenstein C, Hummel F, Celnik P, Gingert C, Sawaki L, Knecht S, Cohen LG. Human Cortical Physiology Section, National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke, National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD 20817, USA.

The ability of the central nervous system to form motor memories, a process contributing to motor learning and skill acquisition, decreases with age. Dopaminergic activity, one of the mechanisms implicated in memory formation, experiences a similar decline with aging. It is possible that restoring dopaminergic function in elderly adults could lead to improved formation of motor memories with training. We studied the influence of a single oral dose of levodopa (100mg) administered preceding training on the ability to encode an elementary motor memory in the primary motor cortex of elderly and young healthy volunteers in a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled design. Attention to the task and motor training kinematics were comparable across age groups and sessions. In young subjects, encoding a motor memory under placebo was more prominent than in older subjects, and the encoding process was accelerated by intake of levodopa. In the elderly group, diminished motor memory encoding under placebo was enhanced by intake of levodopa to levels present in younger subjects. Therefore, upregulation of dopaminergic activity accelerated memory formation in young subjects and restored the ability to form a motor memory in elderly subjects; possible mechanisms underlying the beneficial effects of dopaminergic agents on motor learning in neurorehabilitation.

Ann Neurol. 2004 Jul;56(1):20-6
Levodopa: faster and better word learning in normal humans.

Knecht S, Breitenstein C, Bushuven S, Wailke S, Kamping S, Floel A, Zwitserlood P, Ringelstein EB. Department of Neurology, University of Munster, Albert-Schweitzer-Strasse 33, D-48129 Munster, Germany. knecht...uni-muenster.de

Dopamine is a potent modulator of learning and has been implicated in the encoding of stimulus salience. Repetition, however, as required for the acquisition and reacquisition of sensorimotor or cognitive skills (e.g., in aphasia therapy), decreases salience. We here tested whether increasing brain levels of dopamine during repetitive training improves learning success. Forty healthy humans took 100mg of the dopamine precursor levodopa or placebo daily for 5 days in a randomized double-blind and parallel-group design. Ninety minutes later on each day, subjects were trained on an artificial vocabulary using a high-frequency repetitive approach. Levodopa significantly enhanced the speed, overall success, and long-term retention of novel word learning in a dose-dependent manner. These findings indicate new ways to potentiate learning in a variety of domains if conventional training alone fails.

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If you're over 21 and interested in doing a log tell me why it interests you and I'll pm those I've picked.

cognitivenutrition | Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:26:00 GMT |

I'd be interested Steve but i am taking the PEA at the moment with some good mood enhancement too.

mickfootie | Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:27:00 GMT |

Awesome Steve!!! Good Luck to all the applicants!!!

freeweightfriedel | Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:28:00 GMT |

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Originally Posted by uniquenutritionView Post
If you're over 21 and interested in doing a log tell me why it interests you and I'll pm those I've picked.
count me in, im interested.

sdoptimist | Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:29:00 GMT |

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Originally Posted by uniquenutritionView Post
If you're over 21 and interested in doing a log tell me why it interests you and I'll pm those I've picked.
Another awesome oppurtunity for people interested in Nootropics great job Steve!

sapperdrol | Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:30:00 GMT |

Since this is also a sports supplement I'll be offering 10 bottles for logging purposes.

Edit: 1 bottle per person!

cognitivenutrition | Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:31:00 GMT |

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Originally Posted by uniquenutritionView Post
Since this is also a sports supplement I'll be offering 10 bottles for logging purposes.
Get those apps in!!!!!!!

atownking187 | Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:32:00 GMT |

Quote:
Originally Posted by uniquenutritionView Post
Since this is also a sports supplement I'll be offering 10 bottles for logging purposes.

jhicks3301 | Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:33:00 GMT |

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Originally Posted by uniquenutritionView Post
If you're over 21 and interested in doing a log tell me why it interests you and I'll pm those I've picked.
Awesome very generous

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Originally Posted by Sapper564View Post
Another awesome oppurtunity for people interested in Nootropics great job Steve!
honestly get some apps in here!

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Originally Posted by uniquenutritionView Post
Since this is also a sports supplement I'll be offering 10 bottles for logging purposes.
wow 10 testers!!

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Originally Posted by AtownKing187View Post
Get those apps in!!!!!!!

x2 A great oppurtunity here

sapperdrol | Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:34:00 GMT |

How does it compare to USPLabs Powerfull?

madlaw | Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:35:00 GMT |

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How does it compare to USPLabs Powerfull?
UN's L-Dopa is a single ingredient product where Powerful is a combo of ingredients.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/usp/power.htm

freeweightfriedel | Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:36:00 GMT |

Will be starting this product tomorrow...i'll see how this effects my prep at 4 weeks out...
Thanks steve

inklined | Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:37:00 GMT |

I would like to give this a whirl, mainly due to the fact that I tried PowerFull a while ago and did not notice anything. Ill submit a full app if needed.

sobelik | Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:38:00 GMT |

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I would like to give this a whirl, mainly due to the fact that I tried PowerFull a while ago and did not notice anything. Ill submit a full app if needed.
You got it pm me your info and title it DOPA LOG.

cognitivenutrition | Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:39:00 GMT |

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How does it compare to USPLabs Powerfull?
Powerful does not contain L-DOPA as far as the labels reads. Althought the plant extracted used seems to be Mucuna pruriens (syn. Dolichos pruriens) which is a source of L-DOPA.

I tried putting 1-carboxy-2-amino-3-pyrobenzol(3,4 diol) into pubmed and could not find any studies. Can someone link me to some research?

cognitivenutrition | Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:40:00 GMT |

Marc McDougal on M&M forums.

'This is a potent compound. If I could just figure out what to do with it.

I took 250mg yesterday evening, about 4 hours before bed. It ****ed up my sleep (kept waking up), gave me vivid, strange dreams, and left me feeling awake and rested after only 5 hours of sleep. I ended up going back to sleep for 2 more hours to avoid being worthless today. I skipped deprenyl today, and didn't take any more L-Dopa, but felt extremely focused and motivated today. I was dreading going through the day without deprenyl, but this seemed to be almost better. Really fast typing speed all day as well.'

'Took 250mg this morning around 8am with 1 amp, some ALCAR and NAC. Skipped the deprenyl.

Really noticable improvement in drive all day, it seems moreso than deprenyl (which I didn't expect possible). I've also had more of a dominating aspect to my interactions all day, that I've noticed when reviewing encounters.

My only problem is a slight interruption in verbal fluency, as if my mouth can't keep up with my thoughts.

I do show many signs of GABA deficiency though, so this may be the culprit. I need to order some picamillon.

Going to try again tomorrow with no deprenyl, I really liked how I felt today.

Also, took a 2nd dose around 2pm. '

'Took another 250mg this morning, and I'll skip the 2nd dose and take 1.25mg deprenyl at around 3pm by itself.

So far, I love this stuff. It's just really strong, at least with my neurochemistry.

I'd actually like to see 125mg caps, would be easier to control. I might start breaking them open and taking half.

The feeling I'm getting is definitely different than deprenyl, stronger. Its going to take some more tweaking, but I'm really excited about this drug.'

cognitivenutrition | Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:41:00 GMT |

what is standard dosing on this? when to take it pre bedtime i assume

l-dopa knocks me out we have it in lipotrophin -PM

outsidebacker | Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:42:00 GMT |

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what is standard dosing on this? when to take it pre bedtime i assume

l-dopa knocks me out we have it in lipotrophin -PM
Our product contains 250 mg of pure pharmaceutical grade L-DOPA. I'm not sure the amount in lipotrophin. If the entire 600 mg was MP extract it would have 150 mg of L-DOPA but it's probably half that based on the green tea amount so 75 mg or so is my best guess. The caffeine probably gives it a nice kick too. Looks like a nice weight loss energy combo.

The dosage for our product is based on human studies on HGH release which is 250-500 mg a day. Morning or pre-work out is probably best if taking it at night keeps you up.

cognitivenutrition | Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:43:00 GMT |

Great looking product potential, good luck to all who apply!

swolenone | Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:44:00 GMT |

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Great looking product potential, good luck to all who apply!
Thanks!

cognitivenutrition | Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:45:00 GMT |

Nice studies I do have a few questions though.

In the medical world L-Dopa is usually coadministered with carbidopa (a peripheral dopa-decarboxylase) for Tx of Parkinsons. Without carbidopa I think I remember you lose like 80% of the L-Dopa in the periphery before it has a chance to act centrally. Are you worried about this or is the required dose for GH release much less?

There are also a fair amount of side effects due to peripheral actions of L-Dopa such as GI distress (nausea/vomiting), orthostatic hypotension, dyskinesias . . . is your feeling that at that dose these side effects are less likely to occur?

One thing to keep in mind when taking L-dopa is that in the gut it must compete w/ other AAs for absorption by saturable AA transporter, also in neurons . . . so taking it when you eat a lot of proteins/BCAAs/EAAs should be avoided. Additionally B6 increases metabolism of L-Dopa by activating dopa decarboxylase so if one is supplementing with B6 they may need to take that into account

dr_dave1 | Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:46:00 GMT |

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Nice studies I do have a few questions though.

In the medical world L-Dopa is usually coadministered with carbidopa (a peripheral dopa-decarboxylase) for Tx of Parkinsons. Without carbidopa I think I remember you lose like 80% of the L-Dopa in the periphery before it has a chance to act centrally. Are you worried about this or is the required dose for GH release much less?
On the product info page it is suggested to take it with quercetin or EGCG. I don't think I haven't ever taken it without EGCG so I couldn't comment on effectiveness otherwise. IF the amount of dopa you cited is lost, it would appear that much less is needed for GH release based on the studies Steve posted.

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There are also a fair amount of side effects due to peripheral actions of L-Dopa such as GI distress (nausea/vomiting), orthostatic hypotension, dyskinesias . . . is your feeling that at that dose these side effects are less likely to occur?
This would probably depend on the user I suppose. It is suggested to take it with food (at least some places do, probably to alleviate nausea) but most have protein at every meal. Some people may have WMS preworkout though where it would work well. Also, I think if the doses are kept reasonable the side effects can be kept in check

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One thing to keep in mind when taking L-dopa is that in the gut it must compete w/ other AAs for absorption by saturable AA transporter, also in neurons . . . so taking it when you eat a lot of proteins/BCAAs/EAAs should be avoided. Additionally B6 increases metabolism of L-Dopa by activating dopa decarboxylase so if one is supplementing with B6 they may need to take that into account
good point(s), I had never heard of the B6 increasing metabolism.

kieltyka34 | Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:47:00 GMT |

Does one need to take L-Dopa on an empty stomach to cause the Gh release?

heavy_lifter85 | Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:48:00 GMT |

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Does one need to take L-Dopa on an empty stomach to cause the Gh release?
I think your best bet is to take it on an empty stomach (this is how patients with Parkinson's are supposed to take it) before meals. Though if you get nausea from taking it on an empty stomach, try taking it with food.

kieltyka34 | Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:49:00 GMT |

bump for applicants.

kieltyka34 | Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:50:00 GMT |

I would love to try something like this and do a log on it...but I did have a question;

In that study in the original post, I have read and re-read it...I am probably still about 10-12lbs over the weight I would love to be at, would this have less effect on me?

Also, I was really over weight before, and that study said it did nothing to some of the people that were overweight, then lost it...I would like to see if this made a difference for someone like myself.

Please let me know if I read that right^^ and if I need a full ap, let me know or have George PM me.

pmtaf | Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:51:00 GMT |

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Originally Posted by uniquenutritionView Post
Our product contains 250 mg of pure pharmaceutical grade L-DOPA. I'm not sure the amount in lipotrophin. If the entire 600 mg was MP extract it would have 150 mg of L-DOPA but it's probably half that based on the green tea amount so 75 mg or so is my best guess. The caffeine probably gives it a nice kick too. Looks like a nice weight loss energy combo.

The dosage for our product is based on human studies on HGH release which is 250-500 mg a day. Morning or pre-work out is probably best if taking it at night keeps you up.
`it i`s a `great sleep fat burner.

i sometimes wake up in a soaked sweat but i sleep so great

outsidebacker | Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:52:00 GMT |

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Originally Posted by pmtafView Post
I would love to try something like this and do a log on it...but I did have a question;

In that study in the original post, I have read and re-read it...I am probably still about 10-12lbs over the weight I would love to be at, would this have less effect on me?

Also, I was really over weight before, and that study said it did nothing to some of the people that were overweight, then lost it...I would like to see if this made a difference for someone like myself.

Please let me know if I read that right^^ and if I need a full ap, let me know or have George PM me.
In the study they said the obese people lost weight but didn't specify if they were still in the obese category. There levels of HGH secretion from L-dopa were lower than that of "normal" people but there was still an increase. You said you were 10-15 lbs overweight but you do not in anyway appear to obese. I think this is at the very least worth a shot. I'm going to look a little bit more into the factors that come into play with regards to obesity (something tells me insulin, somatotropin come into play)

edit: 1/2 of the "formerly obese" subjects responded to the HGH secreting effects of l-dopa.

also:
"The reduced GH secretion found in this study suggests an increase in somatostatinergic tone and a diminished release of GHRH from the hypothalamus in obesity. However, other factors including hyperinsulinemia and increased plasma FFA may play an important additional role in the secretory dysfunction of GH in obesity."
PMID: 7920871

kieltyka34 | Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:53:00 GMT |

Is this stuff safe? Dopamine is why cocaine is so addictive and it also causes a deficiency in L-Dopamine.

incognito129 | Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:54:00 GMT |

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